“Trevor: I thought this rambling message more appropriate to send personally rather than to comment on the website. Please excuse its rambling nature. As an Elder who has been a Pipe-carrier and Sun Dancer with the Lakota for over two decades, I have a few comments (well, more than a few): I too have been initiated into The Mankind Project; however, in this context, I found it inappropriate...it sounded like a pitch...I also found the use of "aho" as sounding like a group of non-Traditional men, condescending to Native Peoples. I too have studied in Peru and Bolivia. and am a chumpi paqo from the only two lineages left with the knowledges of how to use those particular muya kullas. I have spent time with the Q'ero in their tiny hamlets, in ceremonies, initiations, and empowerments. I find very little connection between men's groups (which I do find much value in) and shamanism. In fact, up on the Rosebud & Pine Ridge rez's, the word, "Shaman" is used...